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There are similarities between absolute power and absolute faith: a demand for absolute obedience, a readiness to attempt the impossible, a bias for simple solutions to cut the knot rather than unravel it, the viewing of compromise as surrender. Both absolute power and absolute faith are instruments of dehumanization. Hence, absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power.
Eric Hoffer, The New York Times Magazine, April 25, 1971
In 1972, in the midst of the Weather Underground’s bombing campaign against targets symbolic of the American Empire, a young man formed a paramilitary group operating in the desert outside Phoenix, Arizona.
While the radical underground of the left waged war on “Fascist Amerikkka,” Robert J. Mathews and his Sons of Liberty saw themselves as an underground army prepared to take on the creeping menace of Communism.
Twelve years later, as the leader of The Order, Mathews, too, would declare war — against the “Zionist Occupation Government” (ZOG) of the United States.

Robert J. Mathews. American radical.
*
Though they espoused opposing faiths, the radical underground movements of the Marxist Left and the racist and anti-Semitic Right shared many characteristics. Strategically, both based their actions on faith in the foco theory of revolution: That a tiny guerrilla force could, through violent acts, ignite a grassroots revolution and topple the U.S. government.
They also shared a “readiness to attempt the impossible, a bias for simple solutions to cut the knot rather than unravel it, the viewing of compromise as surrender.” Both issued “communiqués” couched in fervid, apocalyptic rhetoric, and they shared the arrogant moral vacuity that asserts that “there are no innocents” among those perceived as class or racial enemies.
And both found justification in the violent acts of the U.S. government.
*
Right-wing radicalism in America did not start with Robert J. Mathews, but he was an exemplar of its theory and practice, endeavoring through action to bring to life the fantasies of the movement’s thought-leaders and propagandists. And in his fiery death during a shootout with the agents of “ZOG,” he provided the movement with a martyr.
His radicalization got off to an early start. At age 11, growing up in Arizona, he became a member of the anti-Communist John Birch Society. His path of self-radicalization moved swiftly through anti-communism and tax resistance to neo-Nazism and Christian Identity and white separatism.
After getting crosswise with the IRS through his tax resistance (or evasion), Mathews left Arizona in 1977, and found a home at Metaline Falls, Washington, not far from the Canadian border. The “Nordic” landscape of misty forest and mountain inspired him, the remoteness from a modern America whose culture he rejected soothed him, and the nearly 100 percent white population made the place feel like home.
For a time, it appeared that Mathews was content working in a mine and then a cement plant, the only two significant employers in the area, and working his land in pioneer fashion.
But Mathews was fatally attracted to radicalism, and his quiescence could not last. In 1980, he joined the National Alliance, a white-supremacist group founded by William L. Pierce, a former physics professor and sometime American Nazi. And two years after that, he began attending services at Church of Jesus Christ Christian at the Aryan Nations compound in Hayden Lake, Idaho. There, Pastor Richard Butler preached Christian Identity, a theology that exalted the Anglo-Saxon as the true people of the Covenant and literally demonized the Jews as children of Satan.
By the time he was 30, in 1983, Mathews was willing to rob, kill and die for the cause of a White American Bastion — a separate homeland in the interior Pacific Northwest for the white race.
Passionate and charismatic, Mathews was able to convince a small cadre of other men to join him in paramilitary guerrilla warfare. He named his outfit The Order.
The name The Order came from a book that became both an inspiration and a kind of handbook for the radical right: The Turner Diaries. The novel, written by Pierce, depicts an underground paramilitary outfit called The Order taking on a federal government run by Jews and utilizing black police to disarm white Americans. By blowing up the FBI headquarters with a fertilizer bomb (more on that later) The Order ignites a war that results in their takeover of the world and the elimination of racial enemies.
Pierce fully understood that his protege was seeking to bring his apocalyptic vision to life:
“(The Order) set its sights on a full-scale armed revolution, ending with the purification of the U.S. population and the institution of a race-based authoritarian government.”
Mathews and several “kinsmen” brought The Order (aka Bruder Schweigen, The Silent Brotherhood) into being in September 1983. Using The Turner Diaries as a template, they plotted to use counterfeiting and armed robbery to fund the white resistance movement and ignite a revolution to establish the White American Bastion.
They got off to an inauspicious start. Their first operation, the robbery of a porn shop in Spokane, Washington, netted $369, and shortly thereafter, Order member Bruce Carroll Pierce was caught passing counterfeit $50 bills. The Order could have fallen right there, but Mathews put it on his back and trudged ahead. He singlehandedly robbed a Washington bank, netting $26,000 (though some was ruined by an exploding dye pack) —enough to bail Pierce out of jail and to jump-start an urban guerrilla warfare campaign.
With Mathews inspiration and the windfall from his action, The Order’s actions swiftly became more ambitious, more tactically proficient, and more lucrative. They hit armored cars, and bombed a synagogue with a small device that did little damage but sent a message.
The Order’s first killing was an internal security operation. An Aryan Nations member named Walter West, 42, had been getting drunk in Idaho bars and talking up The Order’s exploits. On Mathews orders, four kinsmen lured West into the woods and Randy Duey hit him in the head with a hammer. That failed to kill him, so they shot him in the face with a rifle.
The Order would kill again on June 18, 1984. This time, it was an assassination of a perceived race enemy — a Colorado talk radio host named Alan Berg, who delighted in baiting and needling white supremacists from his spot at KOA Radio 850 on the AM dial. Berg was a Jew, and The Order signed his death warrant. A hit team comprised of Mathews, virulent racist David Lane, Pierce and a new recruit named Richard Scutari swooped in on Berg as he pulled his Volkswagen Beetle into the driveway of his home. Pierce was the triggerman, and he opened up on Berg with a MAC-10 submachinegun, riddling him with .45 caliber bullets. Berg was dead when he hit the ground and the hit team made their getaway.
The tempo of operations was fast. On July 19, The Order hit a Brink’s armored car on a steep grade on California’s Highway 101. They made off with $3.6 million. But The Order’s massive score planted the seeds of their downfall. For Robert J. Mathews had dropped a traceable pistol in the armored car as he was passing out the bags of loot. And now the FBI was on to The Order.
Another seed of destruction had been planted just a couple of weeks before. The Order had hooked up with a counterfeiter in Pennsylvania named Tom Martinez. Mathews couldn’t quite get him fully recruited, but he agreed to pass counterfeit bills for the underground group. He was promptly popped — and just as promptly, he decided to cooperate with the Feds.
A 40-agent FBI investigative task force descending on The Order’s Washington/Idaho backwoods haunts flushed the guerrillas out, and they went on the run. Mathews and a cohort moved from motel to safehouse to motel between Mt. Hood and Portland, Oregon, while Bruce Pierce led another cadre in a nomadic run across the Southwest in campers and RVs.
Mathews, unaware that Martinez was turned, set up a meet with the counterfeiter, and Martinez painted the target for the FBI at the Capri Motel in Portland, Oregon. Mathews made the agents and fled on foot, shooting one agent in the thigh. He was wounded in the hand. He and his cadre went to ground on Whidbey Island in Washington, as Mathews issued a declaration of war:
“All about us the land is dying. Our cities swarm with dusky hordes. The water is rancid and the air is rank. Our farms are being seized by usurious leeches and our people are being forced off the land. The capitalists and communists pick gleefully at our bones while the vile, hook-nosed masters of usury orchestrate our destruction.
“We hereby declare ourselves a free and sovereign people. We claim a territorial imperative that will consist of the entire North American continent north of Mexico. As soldiers of the Aryan Resistance Movement (ARM) we will conduct ourselves in accordance with the Geneva Convention.
“We now close this Declaration with an open letter to congress and our signatures confirming our intent to do battle… we declare ourselves to be in a full and unrelenting state of war with those forces seeking and consciously promoting the destruction of our Faith and our Race. Therefore, for Blood, Soil and Honor, and for the future of our children, we commit ourselves to battle. Amen.’
The Order, Brüder Schweigen
*
Mathews and his cadre, including the killer Randy Duey, were ensconced in safehouses on Whidbey Island, Washington, when a 150-man federal force moved in and surrounded them on December 7, 1984. Four members of The Order, lacking the level of commitment of their leader (or, for that matter, the cojones of the women of the SLA) surrendered meekly. Mathews shot it out.
A 36-hour siege of his cabin ended when the FBI fired “illumination rounds” into the first floor of the cabin, setting the structure ablaze. Like General-Field Marshal Cinque in L.A., Bob Mathews’ charred corpse was found with a gas mask — and a pistol in his hand.
The right-wing radical underground had a martyr.

The fiery end of Robert J. Mathews echoed the SLA shootout 10 years before.
*
The fiery, defiant death of Robert J. Mathews inspired fellow travelers on the extreme racist Right, but it was two badly botched and bloody operations of the federal government they so despised that galvanized the Right to lash out in an explosive and horrific act of “revolutionary” retribution.
The debacles at Ruby Ridge Idaho and at a cult compound in Waco, Texas in 1992 and 1993 served to stoke the worst fears of an already paranoid extreme right — and created in the most radical a ready-made justification for retributive violence. The thirst for payback echoes the militant left’s vow to “bring the war home” in retribution for U.S. state-sanctioned violence in Vietnam. And once again, the lens of the radical militant admits of no innocents.
Timothy McVeigh, a disillusioned Army veteran of the Gulf War took it upon himself to avenge the actions of a federal government he was convinced had gone rogue. It is not certain just how much help and sympathy he got from others on the radical Right, but it seems clear that he got more moral and material support than what was turned up in a somewhat hasty investigation. Regardless, McVeigh was the prime mover in an act he regarded as an act of war — the worst terrorist attack on American soil prior to the al Qaeda attacks on September 11, 2001.
The bomber of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City had hardened his heart.
“I understand what they felt in Oklahoma City. I have no sympathy for them… What the U.S. government did at Waco and Ruby Ridge was dirty. I gave dirty back to them at Oklahoma City.”
*
Ruby Ridge was a cock-up from beginning to end.
Randy Weaver and his family left their home in Iowa and moved to a remote hilltop at Naples, Idaho, to retreat from a world they saw as corrupt and sliding toward the end times. The Weavers subscribed to an intensely apocalyptic vision of Christianity. They were neighbors of Aryan Nations and they had views that, as reporter Jess Walter put it, “bumped up against Christian Identity and the kind of stuff people believed at Hayden Lake, but didn’t quite match.” There’s no indication that Randy was interested in following in the footsteps of Robert J. Mathews and The Order; he planned to stay on his mountain and wait out the tribulations.
But he needed money, and when someone offered to pay him to saw the barrels off of a couple of shotguns, he did it. The man was an informer, and Randy Weaver became a target. The Feds wanted to flip him and use him to roll more significant players. Weaver wasn’t going to do that.
A series of misjudgments followed — on Weaver’s part and on the part of the government. The government, especially the FBI, thought they were dealing with another Bob Mathews and they promulgated unprecedented rules of engagement that allowed shooting any armed subject on sight.
Weaver and his family read the federal encirclement and the enormous force of a leviathan government brought to bear against them as confirmation of their apocalyptic vision.
Misjudgments and miscalculations, and mistakes compounding mistakes, led to a violent confrontation and a siege on the mountaintop that ultimately left a Deputy U.S. Marshal dead, along with Weaver’s 14-year-old son. Vicki Weaver was fatally shot through the face by an FBI sniper while she was holding her infant. It seems to have been a tactical error on the part of the sniper, not an act of malice — but it was very, very bad.
The incident was a disaster — one that should never have occurred. And it didn’t take much to spin a narrative of a federal government out of control — because that’s exactly what it looked like.
When Ruby Ridge was followed by a botched effort to end the siege at the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco less than a year later — one that ended in a fire (set on the orders of cult leader David Koresh) that killed 80 people, including many children, the militant right was convinced that the government had declared war on the people.
Timothy McVeigh determined that he would do something about it.
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At 9:02 a.m. on April 19, 1995, McVeigh detonated a 7,000-pound fertilizer bomb in the cargo cab of a Ryder truck parked in front of the Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City. The bomb ripped the guts out of the building in a giant crescent, sending hundreds of people plunging downward in an avalanche of crumbling concrete and broken glass. The explosion and collapse killed 168 people, including 19 children in a daycare center located just above where the truck was parked.
McVeigh reflected:
“If I had known there was an entire day-care center, it might have given me pause to switch targets. That’s a large amount of collateral damage.”
It wasn’t that McVeigh felt remorse at the deaths of so many children. He simply recognized that the optics didn’t look so good for his cause.
Timothy McVeigh was not a psychopath. He was a self-radicalized terrorist, and he believed he was doing the hard, dirty, but necessary thing for a cause. Like Mathews, he found inspiration in The Turner Diaries, and the Murrah bombing was designed to mimic the destruction of the FBI headquarters in the novel. And, like Mathews, McVeigh employed symbolism in his actions. The date of his attack was 220 years to the day after the “shot heard ’round the world” at Lexington & Concord, and two years to the day after the fiery denouement at the Branch Davidian Siege in Waco.
When McVeigh was arrested — on a weapons charge after a routine traffic stop — he was wearing a t‑shirt with a picture of Abraham Lincoln on the front, with the legend “Sic Semper Tyrannus,” the word John Wilkes Booth shouted after shooting Lincoln in he head. On the back was Thomas Jefferson’s statement that:
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
And, in Timothy McVeigh’s morally insane universe, the blood of babies.
*
All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.
— T.E. Lawrence
Spending a great deal of time in the company of violent extremists as I have for the past few weeks researching these essays is unsettling. It is fascinating to see a pattern of behavior where, as Christopher Hitchens put it, “mania feeds upon itself and becomes hysterical,” play out repeatedly and across the ideological spectrum.
The same foco theory animated the terrorists of left and right — the conviction that through violent acts their tiny cadre could spark a revolution — or a race war —overthrow a corrupt U.S. government and, somehow, cleanse a dirty world to usher in… what? Cuban style “Democratic Centralism”? The “White American Bastion”? The mechanism for actually building a future is never really defined — because the future isn’t really the point. I don’t argue that the guerrillas of the radical underground were cynical, that they didn’t really believe in the efficacy of their own theory of revolution. But I do believe that they convinced themselves that they could spark revolution simply in order to justify trying. The means didn’t justify the ends; the means — what Hitchens called “ecstatic action” — WERE the ends.
It’s a hallucination, acting out a dream with open eyes.
There’s something seductively romantic about the intensity of the radical, the level of commitment, the outlaw mystique. It can be glamorous — what was once called radical chic. There is something enticing about that “bias toward simple solutions to cut the knot rather than unravel it.”
But all of it is, of course, a dead end — and when hundreds of innocents die in the enactment of a hallucinatory dream, the mystique is stripped away and only a grinning skull remains.
So what are we to do when we seek ardently after profound change, yet the option for revolution is foreclosed to us by an understanding of history, moral scruples (and plain common sense)? We must find a way to unravel the knot instead of indulging ourselves in the ecstatic action of trying to cut it. That is the project upon which we are embarked at RIR. And we’re finding sign along the trail, like this from Patrick J. Deneen:
“…the better course lies not in any political revolution, but in the patient encouragement of new forms of community that can serve as havens in our depersonalized political and economic order. As the Czech dissident Vaclav Havel wrote in ‘The Power of the Powerless’: A better system will not automatically ensure a better life. In fact, the opposite is true: only by creating a better life can a better system be developed.’”
Matthew says
I remember reading about Ruby Ridge (and Waco) in Cold Zero: Inside the FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team. It’s an interesting looking from a guy on the ground perspective. It’s a good book.
It’s interesting about Pierce being a professor. We tend to think education does away with such lunacy, but it isn’t necessarily true.
Some of the nuttiest people I’ve ever met were university graduate students.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.
It so often seems to fizzle down to this, doesn’t it? A few people living in a violent fantasy along with some hangers-on.
Without meaning to be snide, when I see radical groups running around the woods in camo with guns waiting for the big government purge … well, it’s not that far from LARPing, is it? Only it’s more dangerous because they have live ammo and maybe some of them are far enough gone to start making bombs. Like that old Tom Hanks movie, “Mazes and Monsters” when you have the one guy who falls into the gaming delusion and can’t get out.
As the Czech dissident Vaclav Havel wrote in ‘The Power of the Powerless’: A better system will not automatically ensure a better life. In fact, the opposite is true: only by creating a better life can a better system be developed.’”
Good one.
More on the better life/better system equation to come. Been reading some really potent stuff…
You will find it interesting that it jibes quite well with Tolkien’s critique of modernity.
Looking forward to it. Heck. Looking forward to all the RIR, FP and Bunkhouse posts, really! 😀
Greg says
Jim,
Had I known you were writing on Matthews/Ruby Ridge/Waco I could have linked you up with my good friend Danny Coulson. Danny, founder and first commander of the FBI HRT, was directly involved with the take-down of Matthews at Widby Island…as well as involved with Ruby Ridge and Waco. He is now often interviewed on FOX/CNN etc. We were both very close friends of Al Mar when Danny was the FBI SAC here in Portland.
That said -
Little known fact and one I taught a domestic terrorism class about, hosted by the Oregon Department of Justice back in the late 90s, is this.
McVeigh/Nichols were in contact with radical Islamists prior to the attack in OK City. Nichols made contact/visited with representatives of a group in the Philippines where he had traveled to. His wife, BTB, was/is Filipino. When I’d finished the class I asked an attending senior FBI agent who’d attended if my information was accurate. He smiled, and said it indeed was.
Meaning: McVeigh, as was so often the case with the radical Right terrorists, was interacting with “partners” which had a common goal. This this case the weakening of the United States and by / through any means possible. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” concept.
Great article — enjoyed it.
Great stuff Greg. I’ll take you up on that offer for a followup. Maybe Coulson would be up for a podcast?
Lane Batot says
I am always flabbergasted when I hear about any of these “Christian Right” racist groups purporting to be followers of Christian doctrines–have any of them actually read and understood what they were reading, regarding the New Testament? Do none of them not know that the people of the time and place Christianity was born were NOT Nordic, white Europeans?(Excepting the Roman occupiers at the time, which did everything they could to discourage or stamp out Christianity). Do any of them even have the most rudimentary understanding of history or Anthropology or evolution?(as they are constantly, inaccurately proclaiming). And obviously, the answer to all of the above is a resounding “Nope”. I also havta wonder if any of them have spent much time overseas, in some Third World country, for example. To get a bit more perspective. I do not think our government here in the U. S. A. is perfect, by any means, and there is LOTS of room for improvement certainly, but, by gosh, it is a heckuva lot better than what you find in most other countries, and I, for one, feel mighty fortunate to have been born one of it’s citizens, angry though I might be at times with certain policies or certain politicians. I always try to put myself in the place of leaders of this country–could I do better myself? The answer to that is usually a most definite “Nope”(with some exceptions.….Ahem!) Also, there is just a basic RIGHT and WRONG in the world–in our human society across the planet–and killing innocent people will NEVER be RIGHT. I cannot but come to the conclusion that a certain amount of plain old stupidity has a lot to do with most of these radicals.…..
Some are, indeed, just stupid. Some are cunning but not particularly bright. But some are highly intelligent, indeed. Intelligent enough to spin an entire mythology of their own and sustain it even unto death. And charismatic. People LOVED Bob Mathews. That’s scarier to me than stupid, any day.
Matthew says
What gets me is that the Bible quite clearly states Jesus was a Jew. Most of the the early Christians were Jews.
Well, Christian Identity has a work-around on that — British Israelism. It’s a thing. And people will believe what they want to believe, no matter how rickety the scaffold.
Traven Torsvan says
“And people will believe what they want to believe, no matter how rickety the scaffold.”
Same with far right Zionists who embrace neo-nazis and vice versa
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/zionist-white-supremacist-alliance-trumps-white-house
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/wing-zionism-white-supremacy-bds-170929071542094.html
john roberts says
Most modern white nationalists who are Christian fundamentalists, or at least do not want to alienate the fundies, hold that the Hebrews of the Bible were white (if not Nordic), but that the people who call themselves Jews now are imposters, descendants of the Khazars, an Eastern people who converted to Judaism in the middle ages. Thus, they are actually Asiatic and not white.
Yep, that’s the “theory.”
J.F. Bell says
Mental gymnastics of the delusional.
It’s kinda tough to call for the Great White Empire when your religion entails following a brown guy.
Brian Hessling says
Good column. I landed on part 2 first and now I gotta go back to read 1. You guys are hard to keep up with. First world problems…It’s crazy how many people flirt with extremes these days. The rise of the internet, certainly the weird, borderline radical “memes” that people pass around on social media (“wait, what? do you get what you’re ‘liking’ there old friend from high school, who I haven’t actually spoken to in ten years?”) the voices of division are more easier than ever to be heard and corrupt.
Thx Brian. Social media certainly makes dissemination of extreme views easier and a helluva lot faster. The outfits profiled here were mimeographing their propaganda. Obviously, foreign terrorist outfits like ISIS have used social media effectively. I really wonder if and when we’re going to see cells forming out of all of this for domestic action. Seems inevitable.
Traven Torsvan says
They already have though.
this is just one example
https://www.propublica.org/article/atomwaffen-division-inside-white-hate-group
And it doesn’t help that a lot of these creeps have sympathizers in law enforcement (and of course the white house)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/09/california-police-white-supremacists-counter-protest
RLT says
“Ruby Ridge was a cock-up from beginning to end.” Truer words were never spoken. The Feds had bad intel, plain and simple, and when that became apparent they doubled down on their course of action instead of coming up with a new one that reflected the realities on the ground.
Since 2008, a lot of the white supremacists up here have re-branded as militias and sovereign citizen groups and tried to slide in with those larger movements. Ironically, North Idaho’s reputation as a neo-Nazi haven—the reputation that draws many of those assholes here in the first place—means folks assume that any group of dudes with guns are white supremacists. That definitely hamstrings re-branding efforts. And, of course, we locals all know who they are.
We had a bit of a run-in with a sovereign citizen here at the newspaper probably about 10 years ago. The sheriff’s office was VERY concerned about him and warned us to be alert and to take threats seriously — which of course, I always do. Complacency kills. Anyway, the guy ended up pulling a massive sentence for tax evasion and related charges.
I hope the Feds truly went to school on Ruby Ridge and Waco, because the outcomes were not only tragic in themselves, but also had tremendous negative consequences for the agencies and for the social fabric. I’m not confident that they’ve really learned those lessons — though we must acknowledge that dealing with armed standoffs of any kind is difficult, delicate and can go to hell no matter how carefully handled.
At any rate, this — “That definitely hamstrings re-branding efforts” — cracked me up. I’m picturing a very bizarre and picturesque board meeting, with hipster graphic designers from Seattle.…
Matthew says
Cold Zero, which I mentioned above, deals with the consequences of Ruby Ridge and Waco and how the HRT put itself back together after it. It was interesting to say the least.
RLT says
Denying white supremacy is always a tough sell, especially when the ideology means they have to answer questions like, “So, how do you feel about them Mexicans?” truthfully.
Breaker Morant says
Apropos of nothing really, I am reminded of a strange occurrence in the days or weeks immediately following 9/11. I came home to a very strange message on my answering machine.
A very Arabic sounding voice said “Osama Bin Laden, Brother, Brother.”
It wasn’t a friend screwing with me or anything. I called it into the FBI in case it fit into something else that they were following or whatever, but knowing it would obviously be lost in the 10 trillion other things they were getting called on right then.
Not too long after that, the answering machine was destroyed in a power surge, so I don’t have a recording of it. Just a really strange deal, that I had not remembered for a long time.
That is weird.
Lane Batot says
Sounds to me like you had one of those terrorist’s ghosts transported into yer answerin’ machine–if it had not had that “power surge” , it may have needed excorcising. Dang, that’d make a purty good horror movie, I’m thinking!
Saddle Tramp says
Randy Weaver’s wife’s father was my Dad’s cousin. My Dad was raised in Coalville, Iowa. The Jordison’s were farmers in the area. I never associated with them so I have no recollections. I was surprised when my Dad mentioned it. No extreme religion in his background whatsoever. He was related on my grandmother’s side. The town of Johnston Clayworks, Iowa was owned by my Great Granfather and his brothers. They had a brick and tile mfg. company company that ran for 75 years. Famous for their tile silos in the Midwest. They discovered high quality clay on their farm. I remember my Dad telling me he helped out on the Jordison Farm when horses were still employed. That is the extent that I know the Jordison family. I will have to ask my Dad more about it. I never dug into at the time. Startled to be honest about it…
Interesting. Seems that the extreme religious views evolved and became self-confirming. I get the definite impression that Vicky Weaver had the strongest religious inclination and Randy maybe went along and got caught up. Sarah Weaver indicates that she never really bought into it though she loved and respected mom and dad.
Saddle Tramp says
I guess I should clarify. Vicki definitely evolved to extremist end time views no doubt. The two of them were ripe for each other. I was referring more to my familiarity with any religiosity to any real and dangerous extremity (exclusive of Vicki). Strict perhaps. Religion by it’s nature is inherently so. My gandfater (named after Theodore Roosevelt) and son of a coal miner was irreligious. My Dad told me in the past that my grandfather said the most guilty are singing in the choir and that he loved to go watch the traveling salvation tent circuses for entertainment. My Dad was not brought up with religion. He converted to Catholicism before marrying my mother. The only thing my Dad was strict with was attendance. In fact he was averse to any bible study and most especially zealots. He felt it was very dangerous to go too deep. That was what surprised me. I had no awareness of any extended families religious (and overtly dangerous) views. Hard working yes. Typical narrow views of those type of areas. I just was not aware. One never knows what is seething under the surface. I spent many summers in Fort Dodge staying with grandparents. Lots of relatives as my mother was from a family of 12. Ironically my Dad was an only child. My grandfather who had to go work in the coal mines and drop out of school at 14 to help support the family. John L. Lewis was a cousin to my great grandmother. My great grandfather was the first president of a UMW local. The abuses in the mines were many and deadly. You were on your own. Gypsum mining was stopped beachside of too many deaths in collapses. Poor shoring my great uncle told me. It evolved into being quarried. My grandfather was did the dynamiting in the early days. He went on to be the Board Plant Superintendent firvwhat became (and still is) a Georgia-Pacific operation. He retired with 40 years service. Two of his brothers (one also a Board Plant Supeeintendent the other Transportation Mgr.) and WW II officers that retired from U.S. Gypsum with almost 40 years each as well. All as honest as the day is long. Perfect examples of that greatest generation. All had the highest respect from the men that worked for them. By the way Conrad Hilton used to come to Ft. Dodge and stay with his two maiden aunts that lived in Ft.Dodge. These were just a few of my recollections and why Ruby Ridge was such a shock. I will be calling my Dad when I shut down for the night to ask more about it. I just never proved that deeply at the time. Your post gives me reason to do so. Perhaps some revelations. I wish I would have recorded my Dad’s oral history. He is quite the personality with amazing stories from his past. He is not a writer thougg and no fancy talker which explains why he is so well liked far and wide. Like all of the great ones he just “is”. You do not try to figure out why. A natural. I could write a book (if I only knew how) just on my Dad’s stories. All true. Fiction would not be needed. I never figured Vicki Jordison Weaver would take a wrong turn into it.
He understood what Hoffer was getting at, then.
I know a couple of folks who got involved in cults. You’d NEVER expect it of them. Something in it is serving deep-seated needs — or purporting to. And, like other addictions, once you’re hooked, it’s downright scary to imagine life without it. I think wisdom is the ability to recognize that we’re all susceptible to taking a wrong turn into whatever “it” holds out promise of fulfillment, purpose, inner peace or just shutting off the noise. And we proceed carefully.
Saddle Tramp says
You hit the X‑ring Jim.
The easy way in is the hard way out. Once the camel’s nose is in the tent, the rest soon follows…
You presented some fine cautionary tales here. We should all take heed!!
Saddle Tramp says
P.S.
Another Fort Dodge recollection and lesson learned. My grandparents moved from Coalville when my Dad was still in High School. Coalville’s two room brick school house only went to the 8th grade and then you were bussed to Fort Dodge. My grandfather introduced me to fishing (on the Des Moines River). One day I decided to play around with one of his rod and reels.an open bail reel. Dry casting in the back yard I got one hell of a “birds nest” as a result. Not wanting to upset my grandfather I tried and tried to unravel it to no avail. Finally I just cut the line. If you ever tried to unravel one of these you would appreciate the idea of just cutting the Gordian Knot.I hope that is not what we have arrived at. Make every attempt to do otherwise first. The clock is always ticking though. I do greatly respect Eric Hoffer. He did it the hard and real way!!
I jut found out that a freind of mine was a good friend of Hoffer’s back in the 60s in the Bay Area. He was a giant and should be better remembered.
Saddle Tramp says
Your friend was no doubt very fortunate and you are indeed correct in your praise.
A quote by Hoffer who was one who very much appreciated quotes himself is a man after my own heart. A good quote like a good song has serious tonnage.
“My writing is done in railroad yards while waiting for a freight, in the fields while waiting for a truck, and at noon after lunch. Towns are too distracting.”
— Eric Hoffer
That one’s for Saddle Tramp.
Saddle Tramp says
https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/hardin/srb.htm
Round barn example above.
The Jordison Farm was out in the same neck of the woods as Coalville , Iowa and Clayworks, Iowa. Coal gave out to gypsum which is still going strong. I was born on U.S. Hwy 20 but we soon moved moved. No extreme religious fervor in any of my family history. Quite boring to be honest with you. Fort Dodge however did have the reputation as a tough town nicknamed Little Chicago. A very interesting place, however I never thought it would breed this kind of an outcome…
— Pilot Travel Center in Weed, CA under a stunning snow covered Mt. Shasta. Road is all clear from here.…
Greg Walker says
Tim McVeigh was also greatly influenced by the Special Forces Underground and its newsletter, The Resister.
Copies were found in his car when he was arrested. McVeigh had tried out for Special Forces after Desert Storm. He quit within a few days as he wasn’t ready physically for the course’s demands.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/1999/steven-barry-becomes-important-figure-paramilitary-underground
The “Lone Wolf” concept of terrorism was a concept of Louis Beam and Tom “Metzger —
“The term “lone wolf” was popularized by white supremacists Louis Beam, and Tom Metzger in the 1990s; and then later by Alex Curtis [1].
Metzger advocated individual or small-cell underground activity, as opposed to above-ground membership organizations, envisaging “warriors acting alone or in small groups who attacked the government or other targets in ‘daily, anonymous acts.’ ”[5][6]
Beam and Metzger credit the idea of small-cell structures to avoid detection to anticommunist theoretician Ulius Louis Amoss who in 1953 sought to protect the identity of US agents encouraging resistance to Soviet repression in Eastern Europe.”
Excellent information. Thank you.